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Episode 2 - Wandavision (Part 1) In this episode, we discuss the critically acclaimed Disney/Marvel limited series, Wandavision. As this conversation got very long we split this into two parts!
Three Fates Decide- Episode 2 SUMMARY KEYWORDS wanda, episode, captain marvel, sitcom, movie, strange, character, talking, people, bucky, scene, commercial, vision, mcu, saga, dick van dyke, mutants, hydra, unspeakable evil, watch SPEAKERS Elizabeth , Mary, Sam
Sam 00:00 You think you know what we're going to talk about.
Mary 00:03 Unfortunately I fell about a rabbit hole and I've not gotten out yet.
Elizabeth 00:07 Heh. Knife bros
Sam 00:10 I literally Googled Sebastian Stan hands. But just when you least expect it we changed the game
Elizabeth 00:16 well yeah because we usually in astrology they would partner up air sign with fire signs.
Sam 00:23 all right you can you can huggle
Elizabeth 00:26 time travel stories
Sam 00:27 and at the end of the day only one thing matters we decide
Mary 00:32 we should make it a topic unfortunately I didn't take German in school and I barely took I took Spanish and I don't remember any of it.
Sam 00:42 Three Fates decide podcast Hey everybody welcome back to episode three of Three Fates decide. I am Sam and I am here with my two co hosts Mary and Liz say hello guys.
Elizabeth 01:02 Hello
Mary 01:02 Hello.
Sam 01:03 And today we are going to be recapping Wanda vision since as of yesterday the seat the series is now complete and I am very sad, though I am looking forward to what's coming but it was such a good series. So I think you guys are really going to enjoy this episode.
Mary 01:23 Yeah, I I was very sad through the entire last episode. But it was such a good episode. And it makes me excited to see what's coming up for all the different characters in the show. As they move on in the wider Marvel Universe, I think it's going to be an awesome thing for a lot of them.
Sam 01:46 Yes, the universe is definitely expanding.
Mary 01:49 Definitely.
Sam 01:52 So going let's Okay, so let's, let's go through these nine episodes. So the first one is called filmed before a live studio audience
Elizabeth 02:01 right.
Sam 02:02 Dun, Dun dun. And I guess it's it's it's...
Mary 02:06 set in the 50's...
Sam 02:07 very Van Dyck.
Mary 02:08 Yeah.
Sam 02:09 Yeah, Dick Van Dyke-esque show.
Mary 02:12 Yes.
Elizabeth 02:12 Yeah.
Mary 02:14 It set back like look like the all the 50 sitcoms and everything. Like Dick Van Dyke, I think was father's job. Was father. Father Knows Best was at the 50s Or was that the 60s?
Sam 02:29 I think that was the 60's.
Elizabeth 02:32 Yeah, I didn't watch like all the shows that were from like back in those years. Like I don't I've only
Sam 02:38 Nick at Night, man, Nick at Night. Yeah that's how I used to watch it.
Elizabeth 02:41 Yeah, I didn't watch Nick at Night. Like actually, the way I watch sitcoms was when I was a kid, you know, home from school. And there was nothing else on TV during the day. I would watch some of the sitcoms that were on syndication. So I used to watch things like Brady Bunch. And I Love Lucy. Actually Sci Fi Channel used to show well it wasn't a sitcom, but they used to show dark shadows.
Mary 03:13 Oh, yeah, the original.
Elizabeth 03:15 Yeah, the original dark shadow. That's how I knew about that show before the whole business. Johnny Depp movie came out a few years ago.
Mary 03:23 God that movie was horrible.
Elizabeth 03:26 I didn't even watch that. Because I was like...
Mary 03:29 I didn't I didn't make it through the entire movie. I think I watched maybe 20 minutes of it. I was like, this movie sucks. And I love Johnny Depp. But this movie sucks.
Elizabeth 03:39 Yeah, but Right. Yeah. So it's like, you know, that's kind of how I used to watch some of these older shows was like, home from school. Nothing else on TV. They were showing these things on syndication. Like I also actually saw the Munsters as well. But yeah, some of the some of the some of the Nick at night shows I never saw like, Dick Van Dyke Show. Father Knows Best. So I only recognized
Sam 04:06 Yeah,
Elizabeth 04:06 So I only recognized a few of the references, but anywho
Sam 04:10 yeah, like I used to watch like Nick at Night. Like during the day. If I was home from school, I watched Price is right. That's what I used to watch.
Mary 04:21 I can remember what I was. When I was a little bit younger. I would my shows were always excuse me, the Dukes of Hazzard. It was It wasn't a sitcom or anything like that. But it was just that that was my first I think that was my first real big crash. Was that show.
Elizabeth 04:48 Okay,
Mary 04:49 And I fell in love with the car. The general... General Lee.
Elizabeth 04:54 Right.
Mary 04:55 That's, yeah, I know nothing about cars, but I love that car. I fell in love with that car.
Elizabeth 05:01 That's cool. But at any rate, so we were just saying,
Sam 05:06 but yeah, so
Mary 05:07 back to our regularly scheduled podcast.
Sam 05:10 Right. So, so Dick Van Dyke esque episode. And I think like the whole thing. And it's funny, because I've heard mixed reviews of what people thought of like the first episode, there really wasn't much in terms of like, storyline,
Mary 05:29 right,
Sam 05:29 like, you know, as like the series went on. So like, it was kind of just like, you didn't really know what was like, why they were there. You kind of figured something was going on, but like, yeah, yeah, yeah. There wasn't anything that kind of fed into the storyline of
Elizabeth 05:44 yeah, that that was probably the reason why they showed two episodes. Because that would make you want to watch the second episode just to see if you would get some more and like some answers.
Mary 05:58 No.
Elizabeth 05:58 And even though the second episode was kind of a continuation, in a way of like, the whole weird sitcom thing, they start throwing more oddities at you, to, really start cluing you in that it's not just some weird bizarro sitcom alternate universe that Wanda is in, there's something bigger going on. So I kind of feel like that, ultimately, is a smarter decision for them to like, do it like that, simply because I think they were aware that if they were just sticking with the one episode a week, then half the potential audience would probably just quit because they're like, What the hell is going on?
Sam 06:47 Yeah, yeah,
Mary 06:49 I will say this was not one of the shows I was looking forward to watching. I was just like, I saw the premise of it. I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna like this. And then, but I was like, I'm gonna give it a shot. I'm gonna watch the first episode or two, just to see. And then, by the time that second episode was over, I was hooked. I was like, I got to see this. I got to know more. And it's just been insane ever since.
Sam 07:16 Yeah, yeah. Because really, the second one is when, as you mentioned Liz, it started getting more into some things, not. Not right. You know, you have the red helicopter that she finds in the
Mary 07:30 red blood on Dottie's hand, the
Sam 07:35 the Jimmy's voice coming in through the radio,
Mary 07:39 and at the very end, she's friggin pregnant. It's like, the hell. And then she then the beekeeper pops up out of the sewer. She's just like, no. And rewinds time.
Sam 07:54 Yep. Yep. She was like, no, none of that.
Mary 07:57 Was like we're not having this. No, no, no.
Sam 08:01 Yeah. And then she gets pregnant, and then they're in the 70s. And in multicolor.
Elizabeth 08:07 One,
Sam 08:08 so we left the 50s and the 60s behind.
Elizabeth 08:11 Yeah, one thing I just want to kind of bring up is the commercials that they include in some of the episodes, which I thought were extremely fascinating, especially when I forget if it was the showrunner or if it was Feige, who said this in like some of the you know pre show interviews was that the commercial breaks actually had particular meanings in them that are not just let's make a goofy commercial to stick into some of the episodes to keep it on theme of a sitcom TV show. Kind of a thing, which I thought was really fascinating. Because when you actually try watching some of the commercials, not just the one time but you've watched them, like you know two or three times, you actually start realizing what they were talking about when they were saying they were actually Hi, like, including particular meanings in there. Like in the first episode, you had the toast mate 2000 by Stark Industries with Yeah, which I thought was really interesting because it's like when you actually watch the commercial, you're like, Okay, this is like a weird, somewhat period, sexist, commercial. But the focal point though, is actually the toaster itself because it's not just a fancy shmancy toaster but it is ticking which okay granted, some toaster ovens do sometimes make slight ticking noises. But it's kind of ominous when it's beeping incessantly not when not to let you know that the toasting is done but it's like, incessantly beeping while it's still toasting.
Mary 10:24 that's what that's where it clued me in is it speed, the war when it was speeding up, it's like that's like it's taking down to a bomb going off. Which is what it was indicative of the bomb in their, their home their childhood home.
Elizabeth 10:44 Right and right. And then that's when they reveal that the name of the product is toast mate 2000 by Stark Industries. So then it starts to make more sense. Like what is this? Really about? It's about the bomb. That almost killed them. It almost killed Wanda. Right. And the other funny part I noticed was not just in this commercial, but like in all the other commercials is like the slogans that they use. Like when they introduce the product. It's like toast mate 2000 by Stark Industries. Forget the past. This is your future. Bit on the nose there? Yeah, forget the past. This is your future.
Mary 11:34 Yeah, well, the second and then the second was was the Strucker. Watch.
Elizabeth 11:39 Right.
Mary 11:40 And that's like the Strucker who did who did the experimentation on Wanda and her brother. So and he was he was Hydra? Because it's because even on the watch it has Hydra with the hydra symbol on it.
Elizabeth 12:01 Right.
Mary 12:02 And then Hydra soak for the third episode. Find the Goddess within which we were talking me and Liz would talk we're talking about what not another day that that was about the kind of showing that Wanda has. She's basically became a she became a God with her powers in a way. I mean, they it's even been said that if she hadn't been stopped, she could have she she could have defeated Thanos on our own if he hadn't snapped.
Sam 12:39 Right. I'm trying to think Were those the only
Mary 12:43 access commercial to
Sam 12:46 Well, yeah, what was it?
Mary 12:48 The Nexus
Elizabeth 12:49 The Nexus one was very on the nose very on the nose.
Mary 12:56 and the one that was really on the nose was the Lagos paper towels.
Elizabeth 13:02 Well, yes, that's true.
Mary 13:03 Why those papers didn't mean to make,
Elizabeth 13:05 you make a mess. You didn't mean to?
Mary 13:08 Yeah. I was like damn! they they really went for on that emphasis on that one. Like, God poor Wanda. But it just kind of goes they each of the commercial just kind of showed her her mental I guess almost deterioration.
Elizabeth 13:28 Right?
Mary 13:29 You know, because I mean, she watched her parents get killed by a bomb. Her and her brother nearly get killed by a bomb. Then they're experimented on and nearly died from strucker from Hydra. Then they've got then she finally they then the Age of Ultron happens you know and we we see what happens there. Then they go instead of giving her the therapy that she needed to let her figure out how to deal with the grief of losing her brother and her family. Then she goes off and becomes an Avenger and kills 11 People Wakandans accidentally, and then she watches her the love of her life get killed this poor woman.
Sam 14:22 Yeah.
Elizabeth 14:23 Yeah.
Sam 14:25 Yeah, no, she's had a terrible mix.
Elizabeth 14:28 Yeah, I mean, it just makes the Avengers sound like like, even more dysfunctional that they don't even really meaningfully look out for each other when they are, in essence, a pseudo family really, but it's like a functional family.
Mary 14:45 very dysfunctional. I mean, they gave her no support whatsoever that I could see
Elizabeth 14:46 Yeah that's one of that's one of like, I guess the in universe writing, I guess flaws with with Marvel is that, I think well, I mean, I think a big part of it is because of the nature of movies, you have just so much time and so much story, you can fit into two and a half hours, maybe three hours versus this TV show, which I think is why I think it's better that they did a TV show centering on Wanda versus having a solo movie. Because when you kind of think about it, having this being a movie may not necessarily let you delve into as much as they actually did. Because when you actually add up, like, when you cut out the ending credits, and you just count, like the actual, you know, episodes, and you add up all the, all the runtimes together, it's like what, like, four and a half hours, maybe more than four and a half hours. That's longer than any standard movie would be.
Mary 14:58 Right
Elizabeth 15:24 It would be almost like two movies. So you get a lot more development and exploring some of the implications and some of the stuff that they did. I mean, if anything, there's an argument to be made that maybe they could have written more than they actually did.
Sam 16:29 But yeah, cuz they were short episodes, but like, like, I know, like Falcon and Winter Soldier is only six episodes, but they're like, hour long. episodes. So there's like six, it would be like a six hour,
Elizabeth 16:42 right.
Mary 16:43 And then and I, if I remember from some of the interviews that I've read, that they that the two stars Anthony Mackie and Sebastian, Stan were both talking about how we're, they're able to explore the backstories and flesh out more of the characters, and humanize their characters more with this TV show, because they had more time to do it than they did, then they would than they've had in any of the movies that they've been in together. You know, I mean, we saw it we saw a little bit of Bucky in the 40s we saw a little bit of Bucky as the winter soldier and then he was on the run and then he became the white the quote unquote White Wolf and it's just like, but we don't see any of the progression of of how he came to be where he's at. So I think it'll be
Sam 17:38 or what he really where he really is
Mary 17:41 right so I think that's what we're going to actually see in Falcon and the Winter Soldier is we're going to see both of them mentally after the after cap gives up the shield and reti- quote, unquote, retires and goes into into you know, Sam takes over eventually, from what I understand. And it's just gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see the backstory because I think they said they're gonna give us a lot of backstory about about Sam's character about Anthony Mackie's character, Sam, the Falcon, to see where he came where he's from, what drove him to become who he is, you know, and then we see Bucky having to basically catch up, because he's still stuck kind of like, in a 40s mentality. I mean, to now he's living in the year 2019 2020 Or actually, what 2023
Sam 18:41 Yeah, I think so.
Mary 18:42 so he's got a, he's got a lot to catch up on.
Sam 18:47 Just just a little bit.
Mary 18:48 Just a little bit.
Elizabeth 18:50 I mean, to be fair, hydra likely didn't feel that the winter asset needs to know about the internet.
Mary 18:58 Exactly. Other than that, I think he probably only knew enough to if, if they needed to get something off of a computer or something he probably knows knew enough to on, like, how to put something on a thumb drive,
Elizabeth 19:10 probably. But I think like he was primarily used as their pet assassin, so I don't know. Maybe he maybe he. They may not really have used him as much for the espionage stuff. Really?
Mary 19:28 Yeah, I think I think he was probably I mean, well, I don't really know how they used him other than they basically said, here this is this is what you this is your mission. Go do it. We don't care how you do it. Just do it.
Sam 19:41 No witnesses
Mary 19:42 Exactly.
Elizabeth 19:44 Yeah, which made which I realized kind of made the whole thing with killing the Starks. A little awkward because he, it seemed like he was told how to avoid cameras and yet they caught him on camera.
Sam 20:00 He stared right out. Oh look a camera.
Mary 20:05 Yeah.
Sam 20:09 Oh look.
Elizabeth 20:10 Yeah,
Mary 20:10 we didn't have a camera.
Sam 20:13 It's like
Elizabeth 20:13 I think.
Sam 20:14 Yeah, yeah, right. He didn't even have this half mask on.
Mary 20:17 he always had that damn balaclava on and he didn't have it on this, like the one time he didn't...
Sam 20:24 we wouldn't know
Mary 20:25 even have it on.
Sam 20:27 We wouldn't know that it was Bucky then. Tony needed to know the truth.
Mary 20:31 I guess.
Elizabeth 20:32 Like, yeah, I mean, I just spawned like, I think it spawned like this fan theory that maybe Bucky subconsciously wanted to be caught. But that's just a fan theory. Who knows? It could. It could just be like a writing hole that they ended up doing in Civil War, just to create the tension. Because they have irrefutable proof that yeah, he totally did it.
Mary 21:03 Yeah.
Elizabeth 21:04 Which, I don't know. I kind of feel like a little heavy handed. But
Mary 21:08 yeah, cuz I mean, even if he had the half mask on, I mean, they figured out who the Winter Soldier was that it was Bucky, in, you know, Captain America. The Winter Soldier, they figured out who the hell he was. So when civil war came, and they did they film that? See, it's like, Why the hell would they just put the damn mask back on it? You know? Because I mean,
Sam 21:13 because Sebastian said, Please don't
Mary 21:30 probably he's like, this thing is too damn hot to wear. I don't want this on anymore.
Sam 21:37 Please don't, I want to breathe.
Elizabeth 21:39 I don't know. I'm a stickler. I'm like one of those people who's like a stickler for details and stuff. Maybe it's because I'm a Virgo rising. So I have a tendency to notice these sorts of things. And it drives me crazy. It drives me nuts. I mean, I'm, I would be that annoying person. Like, like, if I was your beta reader, I would be the annoying beta reader that would point out, like, wait a minute, you wrote this in chapter five. And yet, all the way back in chapter two, you wrote this other bit. So now this thing in chapter five doesn't make any sense. Because now you're starting to contradict yourself.
Mary 22:21 Do you know how many damn times I have to go back and reread my other chapters? Just so I know, so I don't do that shit.
Elizabeth 22:29 Yeah, I would be that annoying beta reader that does that to you?
Mary 22:33 Well, no, I do that to myself already. I'm like, wait a minute. What did I write back then? Shit because I don't want to because I have to try to make it like, flow. And I'm like, Well, shit, what did i write? Well God damn it gotta go back. What did I write? Did I write anything about that? Okay, no, I didn't. Okay, good. So I can write it.
Elizabeth 22:51 Yeah, I'm like, overly analytical and detailed like that. This is why like, my, my, I don't know if I want to call it a recap. But my own thing I've been writing on tumblr about Wandavision. That's why like, all the posts are like, over 1500 words. Because like, I just wrote the heck out of every episode I've done so far. And even then I'm still pretty sure I've missed writing some things that I may have to do like a follow up post or whatever just to expand on it more because I forgot to write about something. I know I did. But it but like I was saying they're over 15 or 100 words long, so I didn't want to turn into a giant giant post there. But anyway,
Mary 23:41 okay. Episode Three.
Sam 23:45 Yeah, so she's pregnant and getting more pregnant
Mary 23:50 every second
Sam 23:51 quickly. She has twins. Geraldine comes in. She has twins. Finally, Pietro is mentioned again. It's like after he he died in Ultron. He was forgotten. But he was finally brought up again and Geraldine managed to mention Ultron which apparently made Wanda realize you're not from Westview. So...
Mary 24:19 You're not from Westview time to leave. And yeeted
Sam 24:24 do Yeah. Oh, Westfield and actual town. What am I talking about? Yes. Westview
Mary 24:28 and she yeeted her right out of right out of there.
Sam 24:32 Yes, she did
Mary 24:32 And she's like
Sam 24:33 She said bye!
Mary 24:34 she said by bitch
Elizabeth 24:37 I mean, talk about having godlike powers really.
Sam 24:42 Right.
Mary 24:43 She just
Sam 24:44 like just pushed you miles away.
Mary 24:46 She's like, bye bye.
Sam 24:49 So then that takes us
Mary 24:50 to Episode Four which is probably one of my favorite episodes.
Sam 24:56 I was just about to say that I think it is my favorite because you there's So many things like one like you find out how close after the blip this actually is. And then Darcy now is freaking hilarious.
Mary 25:10 I was so happy to see that they that they actually brought in Kat Dennings character Darcy Lewis and then she's actually now a doctor of astrophysics.
Elizabeth 25:20 Yeah, because like she wasn't she was not a science major at all.
Mary 25:25 No and Thor and Thor 2 dark world. I mean, she was, but I loved her in those in I loved her character and Thor and The for the first and second Thor movies. So to see her brought back in for Wandavision was so nice to see her comeback.
Sam 25:44 Yeah. And she just brought a little extra comedic relief.
Mary 25:48 Yes, she did
Sam 25:50 to it. And, and they also brought it back, Jimmy woo from Ant-Man
Mary 25:53 Yes. And he finally got the trick down. Got that card trick down. I was I was so happy for him too.
Elizabeth 26:02 I mean, presumably, he was not one of the ???? that got snapped otherwise, how did he have time to perfect that really?
Mary 26:10 Right. I mean, we don't know if he was one of the ones that was dusted or not, but
Elizabeth 26:14 Well, I mean,
Sam 26:15 yeah,
Elizabeth 26:15 because like, I mean, I think the second Ant Man movie was like, right before, like, in terms of the timeline was right before the snaps so.
Sam 26:27 So because that ending or credit scene was when he went in to the quantum realm, and then they all got snapped away.
Elizabeth 26:37 Right? So. So we kind of have to assume that Jimmy was not one of the ones that got snapped, because,
Mary 26:45 right?
Elizabeth 26:47 If he was then like, how, dude, how did you have time to learn how to do that trick so fast? And actually do it really well?
Mary 26:55 Yeah. So I mean, I'm just going on the assumption that he was not one, he was one of the ones that was stuck here.
Elizabeth 27:02 Right,
Mary 27:02 he did not get dusted.
Sam 27:05 But what I also liked about this episode was that they went back through and you kind of see where the everything you know, happened from him trying to reach out to or the helicopter going in, which I guess was a drone, and then it turned into a helicopter when I went into the hex, and then I'm trying to reach out to Wanda through the RAID array. And then then just like being able to get the TV episodes up, you know, first through like a really old TV, and then they had to keep improving the TVs as it went on.
Mary 27:40 Yeah.
Sam 27:43 So yeah. I just like that to kind of like recap the first three episodes, while explaining everything that was happening, like behind the scenes,
Mary 27:52 like what the what the real world was going on. While Wanda was having her little mental breakdown, that we didn't know it was Wanda having a mental breakdown. Until
Sam 28:04 Yes,
Elizabeth 28:05 I mean, I also Yeah, I also liked how it introduced us to who Geraldine really is. And it's great, because now we get to see a character that we met in an another character we met in an earlier movie. So now she's all grown up. Yeah, yeah, that was. So it was sad to know that her mom had passed away that Maria had passed away. But at the same time, it was like, wow, we snuggled the little girl in Captain Marvel, and she was just this little tiny thing. Then all of a sudden, she's this beautiful adult woman who's an astronaut. And... who is a captain
Mary 28:52 a captain. I mean, she's not she's smart. She's beautiful. She's well educated, obviously, well educated and successful. And she's a she's a woman of color. And I think that was such a, that was such a strong message to send to other young women and young girls of it doesn't even have of color. You know, kind of gotten a little political on that on this for just a second.
Sam 29:27 No, but you're right.
Mary 29:28 it's such a strong image to show that you that that, uh, that a woman can be this successful. And not only just a woman but a, like I said, a woman of a woman of color can be this successful. Granted, it's in a TV show, but that's something little girl because a lot of little girls don't watch the news and things like that. So to see something like Wanda to see Monica Rambeau they're like, Wow, I could do if she can do it. I can do it. You know, in it, maybe you'll set some, some young woman on a journey to become a captain of something or to become extremely successful. I just think it's a wonderful I thought it was I thought it was so nice to see that.
Sam 30:17 Yeah. No, absolutely. 100%. And, you know, again, like, as you mentioned, Liz that you saw, you know, it's like, we saw her as a little girl. And now to see her, you know, as a as a captain and all that stuff. But what I also found interesting was like, she didn't like to talk about Captain Marvel. So I'm interested to see where that goes.
Mary 30:42 Right.
Sam 30:43 Right.
Elizabeth 30:44 Yeah.
Sam 30:45 When it comes to that character,
Elizabeth 30:47 you know, I also found it really fascinating how her mother was the founder of sword because it it's very interesting parallel with how Peggy Carter was the founder of shield. So you have two different women are technically the first directors of these two really important agencies.
Mary 31:11 Right.
Elizabeth 31:11 which is really great.
Sam 31:14 Because women rule the world. Yeah.
Elizabeth 31:17 The other fascinating thing was when they show you the, obviously, in any building, any kind of government building, they always have this section on a wall somewhere where they have, you know, pictures of the founders or past directors of whatever the agency is, and I thought was fascinating when they showed Maria's picture and they said, Maria, photon Rambeau, because for people who are familiar with the comics, and for again, for people who are familiar with the comics there, you guys already knew that Monica was going to end up getting powers, which were speculated on as a possibility of what would happen on the show, and then it turned out, that did happen.
Mary 32:07 Yeah.
Elizabeth 32:08 But for the comic book fans, they would have immediately perked up when they saw her. Codename her callsign was photon since that was one of Monica's aliases in the comics. So it's going to be kind of interesting to see if she actually does end up using photon as her name later.
Mary 32:31 Yeah, well, I think it'd be i because when I saw the, that that scene, the final scene of episode nine, the mid credit scenes with with her and the Skrull, I was like, and they pointed up. So that makes me think that she's one she's going back. She's going into space again. And two, I think it's a tie into Captain Marvel two. I think...
Elizabeth 33:02 Yes, it's definitely a Yeah, it's definitely um, tie in because I read somewhere they mentioned that Teyonnah Paris who plays Monica is definitely showing up again in Captain Marvel 2. So
Mary 33:20 yeah, so I just think I thought it was nice that they not only did they talk or they they didn't really they can't they kind of tied in Dr. Strange to dr. strange to the multiverse madness with Wandavision. But they really tied in Captain Marvel to with it. Last that was that in credit scene? I was like,
Elizabeth 33:44 Yeah, right.
Mary 33:45 She's going to space and she's gonna. She's gonna go see Carol Danvers, I get Guaran damn tee it.
Elizabeth 33:51 Yeah. Well, speaking of Doctor Strange, the thing is, is that if you watch the other post credit scene, which for some people, if you guys have somehow missed it, it's towards the very end of the ending credit scene. It's like really buried in there. If you notice that when the camera moves further into the cabin, and you get to the bedroom and then you see Wanda app in her astral projection form. If you listen very carefully to the music that they're playing in that sequence a lot of people actually notice that it's basically a version of The Doctor Strange theme. Which is where so it's meant to be both a visual with astral projection thing it's meant to be a call back to Dr. Strange but they're also using a small section of his theme song, if you will, as the background music for that bit. So that is where the whole connection to Dr. Strange would kind of subtly come in. I mean, it's a bit more subtle than how when you when you kind of like, fit the pieces together, you realize that the Monica scene is a tie in is meant to be a lead in to captain the second Captain Marvel movie that I don't think they released the name of it yet, but
Mary 35:33 I don't think they have it's just Captain Marvel two as far as I know.
Elizabeth 35:38 Right.
Mary 35:38 From everything that I've read about it.
Elizabeth 35:41 Yeah. So. Right, right. So yeah, that would be the connection to Dr. Strange. Which, which is kind of interest, which is which? There's a lot of possibilities right there exactly how she's going to fit in. I mean, aside from the magic thing.
Mary 36:01 Yeah
Elizabeth 36:02 I mean, yeah, I'm sure a lot of people are speculating exactly how she's going to fit in. But nobody is going to, but I don't think at this point. I don't think anybody questions the idea that she will fit in to the movie perfectly well, really?
Mary 36:14 Oh, yeah. She, she, she'll fit in just fine with it. I want to know what happened to vision. The white vision.
Sam 36:23 Right. So I
Mary 36:25 was like, where the fuck did he go.
Sam 36:28 I was, like I saw this meme. Um, I was watching this meme of when the white vision was about to pull the Mind Stone out of visions head. And then he went, he changed his density so that he went through them. And, and then it goes to when Thanos had his Mind stone. And he just let them take it out. And and then it pops up. Well, why didn't you do that before? Like, why didn't you change your density so that Thanos couldn't rip the Mind Stone out of your head? And I was like, Dude, that's a really good point
Mary 37:04 That is a good point. But at the same time, I have a feeling that Thanos already had the other with with the other stones that he had. He may not vision may not have been able to actually go, quote unquote, ghost like and change his density. So you just matter passes right through it.
Sam 37:33 Yeah, I don't know. But I just thought it was a good point. I was like, huh,
Mary 37:38 because if I remember did it because they had those weapons. Remember the other two? There's other aliens had the weapons. That when they hit before, remember, and he wasn't able to stop it?
Sam 38:02 Yeah,
Mary 38:02 it made him It made him solid. It makes
Elizabeth 38:07 that is true. That is true.
Mary 38:08 I think that's because I was from one of the I'm sure it's from one of the stones and I don't can't tell you which one it is. But it was from one of those damn stones. Maybe the one from the Tesseract. Whatever the blue stone was
Elizabeth 38:24 the Space Stone.
Mary 38:26 Yeah. Maybe the Space Stone So,
Sam 38:37 but yeah, I saw that. And I was like, huh,
Mary 38:40 but I think that's probably can but
Sam 38:42 yeah,
Mary 38:42 I That's my theory on why he?
Sam 38:45 Yeah,
Mary 38:46 yeah. Didn't go. Well. I mean,
Sam 38:48 yeah, but ya know, I would like to know where, where vision flew off to
Elizabeth 38:53 Yeah, and for like, I was just trying to look it up. As far as I know, there has been no announcement as to what other appearances that Paul Bettany may make in the MCU. I mean, considering that white vision is still is still out there. There's definitely, you know, a chance that he will come back I mean, the character still exists, so there's no reason why he can't come back unless he's too busy or something. But yeah, there's no there's no indication as to like what other projects he may be due, he may show up in so we don't know.
Sam 39:36 There's there's actually a couple of
Mary 39:38 as I just say, they may have they may have any future appearances of his very heavily under wraps, because they don't want people to know where he's going to show up again.
Elizabeth 39:51 That's true too.
Sam 39:52 um, but like with moving on to like episode five and stuff like that, and I'm kind of just jumping But, you know, Pietro comes back but as the other Pietro.
Mary 40:07 yes.
Sam 40:08 Not the one from from Ultron and know that,
Mary 40:12 or Peter Maximoff, I should say.
Sam 40:16 Right. So, what's interesting to me is that there was talk that he was going, Evan Evan Peters. He was going to now be in the MCU. This was like his way of getting in there. But the way that they handled it with the last episode, how she was able to, you know, take take that necklace off of him, and then he remembered who he was. I guess that's not true.
Mary 40:50 Yeah. But I'm just like, I saw a meme about that today, too, was like, we just got to talk about what happened to to Ralph. Ralph Boehner Ralph Boehner over here.
Elizabeth 41:07 Well, here's the funny thing. This is we're talking about. Again, this is one of those things that came out in like some of the interviews that they released, I guess, like in between the episodes, Feige actually kind of address the whole thing about having Evan Peters show up as Pietro, or as Agnes likes to say Fietro. He basically said was that the whole idea of having this guy show up as Pietro really was meant to mess up mess around with Wanda, which is literally what he actually said in the episode too. If you if you were to rewatch episode six, actually, he kind of, like one of his lines actually was to, he literally said, like, Oh, I'm here to cause tension with the brother in law and mess or like, mess up or mess around with with you.
Mary 42:10 With the timeline
Elizabeth 42:10 When he said, I heard you calling for me. So that's why I came? I'm like, I don't think so. which, yeah, which let's be honest here. He, he totally did. He totally messed around with her and her and him claiming that he's her brother. Right. Right. So I think I mean, I think that like it as it turns out, I think it really was like an extreme form of stunt casting that was meant to screw around with Wanda, you know, in the story, but in a way also to kind of mess around with fans who are potentially reading into things way too deeply.
Mary 43:01 Yeah. Because I mean, it would have been an interesting way to introduce the mutants back into or to introduce new the mutants back into the MCU. Because so far, we haven't seen them. But I are actually going to bring a new movie, a new show out called the New Mutants or something.
Elizabeth 43:21 Yeah, they made an announcement actually, just the other day about it.
Mary 43:25 Yeah, that's what I'm going off as I'm just trying, I'm trying to remember it.
Elizabeth 43:31 Yeah, although I just don't remember if they said it was actually a movie or if it was a TV series.
Mary 43:36 I think it was a TV series, the New Mutants TV series, if I remember correctly. But so I think it's interesting that it would have been a good tie-in if they had us if they had really used him as because he was the X-Men Quicksilver to use him as the mutant to bring to introduce mutants back into the MCU. But they didn't go that route, which I think is what everybody was expecting them to do.
Elizabeth 44:11 Okay, yeah, I just happened to be looking up screenrant.com They posted a post two days ago as of this recording, Marvel Studios reportedly developing X Men movie titled The Mutants.
Mary 44:30 Okay,
Elizabeth 44:30 so it's very possible that they may be naming it like this because they don't want to use X Men. Just because there's the already existing X Men movies, so it may potentially cause a lot of confusion as to like, which, like, which, X Men are you talking about? Are you talking about the fox ones from like, 20 years ago, or are you talking about a new one kind of thing?
Mary 44:56 Right. So I just think it's interesting that they're bringing in the mutant to the MCU. Again, which is, which is awesome. And see if this in the same tone is like that was, that would have been a really good way to do it with Evan Peters. But does they decided not to go that route with him I'm like, like dammit, that was a good way to do it.
Elizabeth 45:22 It would have. But at the same time, I can also see why strategically, they may not want to do that, because that would have been overwhelming to introduce multiple concepts in one show. Plus, also, I think when they were developing Wandavision, they also have to keep in mind that they need to make this this this TV series fit within the story arc they're developing for phase four. And ultimately, what is the next Grand saga? It is they're trying to create here. Since the first three phases are part of the Infinity saga, it's like, Well, this has to be set up for this particular phase is a setup for the next big saga. But exactly what is the big next saga? We're gonna need a few more productions to start piecing together what it could actually be. But if things like Wanda vision, Dr. Strange, or any, and potentially
Mary 46:31 Captain Marvel.
Elizabeth 46:32 with Yeah, with Captain Marvel in the Skrulls, there's a couple of different major storylines, and this could be what they're talking what the actual saga is, they're developing right now. But like, again, we have to actually watch a few more productions to like get a better, you know, idea which direction exactly are they going with?
Mary 46:56 I think it is. Let's see, which I I'm speculating that somehow I am speculating somehow Mephisto is going to play into this somewhere, somehow, some way, because he was part of Dr. Strange, and he is part of Wanda's both of the comics for both of them. So he's got to come into this somehow.
Elizabeth 47:21 I'm suspecting that he's going to be the villain of the Doctor Strange movie.
Mary 47:28 Right. Which would be interesting, which...
Sam 47:31 I guess we'll find out.
Mary 47:32 which would make sense. I mean, it really would make sense.
Elizabeth 47:35 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not that you would ideally necessarily use wikipedia as the most reliable source by
Mary 47:46 we're not going to go there with Wikipedia and its reliability.
Elizabeth 47:51 But it does happen.
Sam 47:54 I don't understand why.
Mary 47:55 We're not going to go there Sam.
Elizabeth 47:58 But it does bring up like something interesting that when you actually look up the Doctor Strange movie on there because obviously they don't like the people editing obviously don't have a ton of ideas what exactly the plot is going to be but they did cite a couple of interesting articles that are in that basically say that one of the things that have been revealed is that possibly the reason why dr. strange within the context of the TV within the context of Wandavision, why he wouldn't have shown up when there's a really strong amount of weird magic being thrown around in this one place in New Jersey. He's been apparently doing some research on the Time Stone. And he's also encountering somebody who was a friend that is now an enemy. Which fits with why Mordo is coming back in this movie, which again fits with how the first Doctor Strange movie ended.
Mary 49:15 Yeah, because the credit scenes of that one was Mordo taking out other wizard other sorcerers.
Elizabeth 49:23 Right. So he's definitely an enemy in the in on the sequel, but the other interesting thing they said was that not only is it a friend turn enemy, but there's also stuff happening that results in strange unleashing unspeakable evil. So it's like well, okay, unspeakable evil. Well, that would kind of imply there will be some other cosmic dimensional being kind of like how we saw Dormmamu in the first movies. So.
Mary 50:01 Yeah, it's like when Dormmamu was coming back and like, they're not bringing him back.
Elizabeth 50:08 No because the whole point of the whole Groundhog Day trick that, you know, strange used in the first movie was to get Dormmamu to be like, Okay, you are gonna leave this dimension alone and never come back here. And he's like, all right. All right, just just just stop it already.
Mary 50:26 Yeah.
Elizabeth 50:27 I don't want to repeat this for the five millionth time. So yes, he saved. So yeah, strange saved our dimension by annoying, an interdimensional demon to death.
Sam 50:44 Who knew it would be that simple?
Mary 50:45 Right? I mean, if it was that simple, I could have just sent my daughter to do it.
Elizabeth 50:50 I mean, I think it's very possible that this unspeakable evil that is apparently going to show up in the movie could be Mephisto. I mean
Mary 51:04 same thing in the same vein. Technically, the Scarlet Witch is the harbinger of The World's End. So technically, she could be the unspeakable evil. I don't think she is but could be.
Elizabeth 51:22 I mean, it's possible,
Mary 51:24 at least.
Elizabeth 51:26 I mean,
Mary 51:27 it's seen there.
Elizabeth 51:29 Yeah, I mean, it in theory, it is possible. But I don't know. It's just like the way they kind of describe it. It does kind of imply it's some other,
Mary 51:40 right.
Elizabeth 51:41 Supernatural interdimensional being and it's like, when you actually look up who are the classic comic book, enemies of Doctor Strange. And you look at the ones that are actual demons or monsters versus, you know, evil people. Mephisto is one of the big ones and not to mention, Mephisto is also the one that kind of screwed around with Wanda in the comics, too. So So I mean, yeah,
Mary 52:16 so coming back in Doctor Strange. But I'm just like, you have to throw out the the possibility that the unspeakable evil was technically the Scarlet Witch. Not that I don't think it is. But you have to throw that out there as a possibility because everything says that she's the harbinger of the world end... of this world ending, and like so because she really wanted to she's got the power to destroy the to destroy everything. And that's...
Elizabeth 52:28 Well Yes.
Mary 52:36 A lot of powers that can be pretty damn evil. But I don't think she's going to do something like that. That's not who Wanda is. On the inside, you know, she's not that type of person.
Sam 53:09 Right?
Elizabeth 53:09 I guess it depends on like, what direction they want to go with, based off of the ending credit scene, because? Well, I mean, well, we'll get more into that when we actually get up to episode nine. But it's like, it really depends on like, what direction they want to go to based off of that ending ending credit scene. Because there is a couple of different directions they could go they could have her go the evil route, or they could end up having her show up as somebody who has started mastering the darkhold kind of like how, as like a parallel I guess, to strange doing all that excessive studying with his astral projection in his in the first movie. And he started mastering knowledge from some of the books because of his extensive studying, because he's a super nerd. Yeah, just to like kind of tie back to wanna vision a little bit more Episode Seven was just wow I mean thanks for listening everyone, catch us next time